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Msg ID: 2744302 Investors are reallybehind +3/-3     
Author:Old Guy
9/26/2022 6:09:02 PM

Investors in the stock market have lost 7.7 trillion dollars since Biden took office.

Guess what! Your retirement 401k  are included in that loss.

 



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Msg ID: 2744303 YAWN > (NT) +2/-2     
Author:bladeslap
9/26/2022 6:19:15 PM

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Msg ID: 2744313 That response is discouraging. +3/-2     
Author:Old Guy
9/26/2022 7:30:07 PM

Reply to: 2744303

I hope that other democrats care about their fellow Americans.

Really shows just how much TDS has filled your head.  You can't even recognize or care about he hardships of others.  



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Msg ID: 2744322 It's same whining from you +4/-2     
Author:bladeslap
9/26/2022 9:42:57 PM

Reply to: 2744313

1. Try to find something that's wrong

2. Blame it on Biden

THat's your MO - You do it every day

it just gets boring....

EDUCATE yourself a little before you continue to look like a fool...who doesn't stop whining



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Msg ID: 2744327 Your big chance! +3/-3     
Author:Old Guy
9/26/2022 10:04:30 PM

Reply to: 2744322

What has Biden done that has improved the life of the average American?



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Msg ID: 2744346 He Defeated Trump ... +3/-2     
Author:bladeslap
9/27/2022 8:45:42 AM

Reply to: 2744327

And restored dignitity to the nation...and people are not ashamed of who is in office anymore ...

America’s Image Abroad Rebounds With Transition From Trump to Biden | Pew Research Center

Here's how the whole world views it - 

I know you want to blame Biden for inflation -= That's you're own mental defect. You can't be changed. 

 



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Msg ID: 2744314 Total Market Value of U.S. Stock Market +4/-2     
Author:TheCrow
9/26/2022 7:35:15 PM

Reply to: 2744302

Some indexes are down, some are up.

But, and this is important- neither are gains or losses until you sell.

 

Total Market Value of U.S. Stock Market

The total market capitalization of the U.S. stock market is currently $48,264,353.4 million (March 31st, 2022). The market value is the total market cap of all U.S. based public companies listed in New York Stock Exchange, Nasdaq Stock Market or OTCQX U.S. Market (read more about OTC markets from here.) Despite the pandemic, the total market value of listed American companies increased 20.15% during the year 2020. Between 1/1/2010 and 12/31/2020, the market cap of public U.S. corporations increased 170.11%. The table below lists also the historical total market cap of the top 500 U.S. companies.

Date U.S. Equity Market Value (USD, Million) Top 500 U.S. Companies Market Value (USD, Million)
12/31/2021 53,366,436.40 42,368,174.70
12/31/2020 40,736,558.20 33,388,390.90
12/31/2019 33,905,976.70 28,125,589.10
12/31/2018 30,449,359.40 22,065,655.20
12/31/2017 31,774,585.40 23,938,148.80
12/31/2016 27,362,567.70 20,222,191.70


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Msg ID: 2744317 Do you understand what is being posted (NT) +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
9/26/2022 8:56:25 PM

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Msg ID: 2744318 Do you understand what is being posted +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
9/26/2022 9:13:43 PM

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The value of stocks within the market are around 97 trillion.

What you are posting is the cap rate of stocks, or the expected rate of return.  Big difference.

Market value increased 20.15 during the year 2020, Trump was the President.

Now this year under Biden the economy and even the market has a failed, the market is in a decline of 20% just this year and going down.

Don't you know the country is in a inflationary recession, given to us by Biden.



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Msg ID: 2744334 Do you understand what is being posted +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
9/27/2022 1:21:52 AM

Reply to: 2744318

Do you understand what is being posted?

Is it possible that you do not understand what you're saying? For instance- value is not profit or loss until you sell and make or lose money on the sale. Market value is speculation until it is factual,  results from an actual transaction.

I remember sitting with a colleague who was bemoaning the economy in 2008 and the 'loss of value' in his portfolio. I reminded him that he suffered no loss until he sold for less than the purchase price.

 

 

The value of stocks within the market are around 97 trillion.

Cite your source. What is 'value' outside an actual transaction?

 

 

Market value increased 20.15 during the year 2020, Trump was the President.

Cite your source for that data. I doubt that "... Market value increased 20.15 " in the year the GDP shrank by 3.4% and a year in which the American unemployment rate set a record and the year the of the most severe economic contraction since the Great Depression. The final year of Trump's presdency...

Perhaps that index was based on the low of the most severe point in that contraction and the recovery in the latter half of 2020? 

 

 

Now this year under Biden the economy and even the market has a failed, the market is in a decline of 20% just this year and going down.

Again, cite your source. Until you sell, there is no profit or loss

Economies are cylic. The Fed and ther central banks work to minimize the effect of the cycles. Further, they are affected by years of economic policies, so Trump's administratiion contributed to the developing contraction.

The 2022/2023 recession hs been predicted for years. The question is how severe the contraction will be the duration, = how long until the economy starts to expand again.

 

Don't you know the country is in a inflationary recession, given to us by Biden.

You ignore the crash under Trump.

You ignore the effects of rhe Fed efforts during the Trump arministration to stumulate the economy.

You ignore the fact that the coming contraction is a direct result of the COVID contraction and the following recovery under both trump and Biden. in The Donald's own words:

“In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat,” Trump told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in a 2004 interview. “It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn’t be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats. …But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we’ve had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans.”

 i admire and respect the fact of Trump's rejection of party dogma. Except that he's polluted the "conservative Republican" well by clziming to borh "conservative' and Republican while being neither.  I am not a car even if I am in a garage....



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Msg ID: 2744360 Do you understand what is being posted +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
9/27/2022 10:13:21 AM

Reply to: 2744334

I do not ignore the crash under Trump.  But I realize that it was caused by a virus.  Trump took reasonable actions during that time.  Because he allowed states to take their own corrective actions, the recover dffered from state to state, most red state recovered at a fast rate and some blue state are still trying to recover.

Under Trump the recover produced a GDP over a plus 30% and a stock market increase of 20%.

It did not take long for Biden to fail, his policies now have produced a negative growth rate in GDP and a loss of value in the stock market of 20% and still going down.

it is true that stock value is collected when sold, cash in pocket.  But that is the same as your savings account, you put money in, but it is not collected until you withdraw it.  But it's value can be used without collecting it, how about collateral for many kinds of transactions.  It has real value!  And Biden is not helping, worst President so far.



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Msg ID: 2744450 Crowbot, my IRA with Fidelity is down almost 25% +2/-3     
Author:Founding Fathers
9/28/2022 12:47:52 PM

Reply to: 2744334

from a year ago. I've lost a little over $80,000.00 in value from a year ago, which is entirely in Biden's time in office. This is a direct loss in value, even though I haven't cashed anything out.

Money I was planning to use for my future, that is now delayed because I can't fund it. Because once I take it out, that's all I have.

So, if I had $330,000.00 a year ago, but today I only have $250,000.00, are you saying that's not really a loss since I didn't withdraw it?



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Msg ID: 2744469 Crowbot, my IRA with Fidelity is down almost 25% +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
9/28/2022 2:34:41 PM

Reply to: 2744450

"from a year ago. I've lost a little over $80,000.00 in value from a year ago, which is entirely in Biden's time in office. This is a direct loss in value, even though I haven't cashed anything out.

The economy is suffering world-wide. Did Biden do that? No, but his leadership does have an effect on the American economy. I believe that his administration is minimizing the negative effects here.

 

Global economy slides into contraction, price pressures ease to 1½ year low

06 September 2022 Chris Williamson

Global economic output contracted in August for the first time since June 2020, according to the latest PMI survey data. Although only modest, the downturn reflects an increasingly broad-based deterioration of output and demand conditions both by sector and region. Companies are also taking a more cautious approach to cost control and employment in the face of the worsening economic climate.

More encouragingly, price pressures have abated, with the rate of inflation of firms' costs having now cooled for a third month in a row to reach the lowest for one and a half years.

The survey data therefore reflect how central banks are hiking interest rates into an economic downturn which, while bearing fruit in terms of helping lower inflation, is adding to the risk of a deepening global contraction and possible recession.

Manufacturing and services fall into decline

Global business activity contracted in August for the first time since the initial pandemic lockdowns of early 2020, according to PMI survey data compiled by S&P Global and sponsored by JPMorgan. The headline PMI, measuring output of both manufacturing and services, fell from 50.8 in July to 49.3 in August, dropping below the 50.0 no change level for the first time since June 2020. If lockdown months are excluded, the latest reading was the lowest since June 2009, during the global financial crisis.

Although at present the scale of the downturn remains far weaker than seen during the GFC, August saw output of both manufacturing and services fall into modest declines, reflecting an increasingly broad-based deterioration of global output and demand growth.

Downturns in all major developed economies

For the first time since early 2020, all four largest developed economies reported falling output. While the eurozone, UK and Japan all slipped into minor downturns, a steeper contraction was recorded in the US. All four reported lower manufacturing output levels, accompanied by either falling or largely stalled service sectors, with the US reporting by far the steepest service sector decline.

Growth trends meanwhile varied among the major emerging markets. While India reported strong and accelerating growth, enjoying one of its fastest expansions seen over the past decade, more moderate gains were seen in Brazil and mainland China, as in both cases robust service sector gains were offset by near-stalled manufacturing economies. In Russia, business activity barely expanded due principally to the impact of sanctions, which drove a further steep downturn in exports of both goods and services.

Falling demand

The main cause of deteriorating output trends was a weakening of the demand environment. New orders for manufactured goods fell globally in August, accompanied by a near-stalling of demand for services. Global exports of both goods and services also fell, leading the downturn in demand.

The principal cause of lost orders was higher prices and the cost-of-living crisis, as well as increased risk aversion from both households and business due to the darkening economic picture. Some countries also saw reports of higher interest rates hitting demand (notably in the financial services sector, and real estate in particular).

Excess capacity signals

Not only did inflows of new orders fall during August, but backlogs of work also declined, as the reduced influx of new work meant operating capacity levels were only maintained via the depletion of work placed in prior months.

Such a running-down of order book backlogs has two key implications.

First, lower backlogs are usually followed by a slowdown in hiring as firms take a more cautious approach to staffing levels. August saw global jobs growth slacken to the weakest since January as a result.

Mainland China reported the gloomiest labour market trend, with a further contraction of payroll numbers recorded in August. Employment growth slowed in all other major economies with the exception of India, which saw faster jobs growth.

Price pressures cool

Second, the drop in backlogs of work speaks to a wider issue of the demand and supply imbalance, and the resulting impact on prices.

Whereas 2021 was characterized by demand running ahead of supply, with the latter constrained by pandemic-related raw material and labour shortages, 2022 is seeing a reversal of this imbalance: demand is now falling and supply conditions improving. Hence price pressures are abating, both for goods and services.

Global input cost inflation has in fact now eased for three successive months to run at the lowest since March 2021, albeit remaining elevated by historical standards.

Lower input cost growth is also feeding through to lower inflation rates for goods and services selling prices. Measured globally, average prices charged for services rose at the slowest rate for a year in August, while goods prices rose at the slowest rate for a year-and-a-half.

Reduced input cost inflation and worsening demand fundamentals has led to falling selling prices in mainland China and considerably softer rates of selling price inflation in the eurozone and US. Selling price inflation also cooled in Japan and the UK, though the latter saw evidence of prices remain stickier than elsewhere.

The August PMI surveys therefore suggest that global consumer price inflation should start to moderate in the months ahead, as lower cost pressures feed through to lower wholesale prices and eventually filter through to the consumer.

Hiking into a downturn

The cooling of price pressures has followed the most aggressive monetary policy tightening seen across the world in modern history, with policymakers at the FOMC, ECB and Bank of England in particular ready to implement further rate hikes in the coming months to further tame inflation expectations, even at a cost of lower output. In this respect, the survey data clearly highlight the extent to which the global economy is starting to strain under the destruction of demand caused by high prices and tightening financial conditions, depicting an unprecedented scenario in recent history of central banks hiking interest rates aggressively in an environment of growing recession risk.

Links to press releases

Global manufacturing PMI

Global services PMI

 

Chris Williamson, Chief Business Economist, S&P Global Market Intelligence

Tel: +44 207 260 2329

chris.williamson@spglobal.com



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Msg ID: 2744473 Crowbot, my IRA with Fidelity is down almost 25% +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
9/28/2022 2:45:12 PM

Reply to: 2744450

from a year ago. I've lost a little over $80,000.00 in value from a year ago, which is entirely in Biden's time in office. This is a direct loss in value, even though I haven't cashed anything out.

Money I was planning to use for my future, that is now delayed because I can't fund it. Because once I take it out, that's all I have.

So, if I had $330,000.00 a year ago, but today I only have $250,000.00, are you saying that's not really a loss since I didn't withdraw it?

3. 6. 12. Those are numbers just as the numeric value of investments are. You make them real when you act on them.

How did your investments do in the Great Recession? The stuff you didn't liquidate recovered, didn't it? A friend of mine lost almost a million and was going to sell because he was scared it was going to get worse. I convinced him that selling at the bottom of a market was effin' stupid. You make a paper loss into an effective loss. You buy when the market prices are down.

You're a lemming or a lion in adversity. If you run with the herd you fall with it. Be a lion, a contrarian and take advantage of all those delicious lemmings.... 



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Msg ID: 2744524 Crowbot, my IRA with Fidelity is down almost 25% +2/-3     
Author:Founding Fathers
9/29/2022 9:09:47 AM

Reply to: 2744473

I totally understand that it only has "real value" when I withdraw it. 

My point is I watch it grow over the years and make changes in which funds it's in to maximize growth. But over the past 12 months I couldn't do that because everything was tanking.

That's REAL LOSS. I don't have 14 years to make up the $80,000.00 loss over the past year like I did back in 2008.

That's the issue you don't seem to understand. Some people were planning to use their IRA's now to help maintain their lifestyle after they retired. Maybe some wanted to pay off the mortgage, or a vehicle, or buy a RV to travel and see America now that they have the time. But they can't, because they need to keep that money in the IRA and hope it returns back to the goal value they established 30 years ago when they started and actually achieved.

Except this idiot in the WH destroyed the economy and put millions of American's in financial disarray.



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Msg ID: 2744910 Crowbot, my IRA with Fidelity is down almost 25% +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
9/30/2022 11:48:02 AM

Reply to: 2744524

It's called the economic cycle and we're on the contracting side of it. I'm in the same boat, except I have to take mandatory disbursals when I should be holding for the upswing.

I think I posted this earlier- I'm gonna roll the mandatory disbursal into another investment vehicle. The economic cycle will continue, there will be better times. 

What you and I 'want' is not a consideration. We must deal with what is, now, prepare for the future and plan to minimize loss in following contractions.

Joe Biden is my president because that's how democracy works- losers accept the electoral loss and work for American success even when a lack-luster place holder sits in power. He didn't invent and emplace the economic cycle that's in process right now.

The greater issue is that conservatives and Republicans move away from QAnoner Trump and advance a sound, conservative Republican candidate in 2024.



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Msg ID: 2744913 Such a idiot +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
9/30/2022 12:04:23 PM

Reply to: 2744910

Crow, Biden was given a recovery with a GDP increase of 32%.  He stewed it up within the first week.  GDP dropped, and finally the market.  This did not need to happen.  lots of people lost money be abuse of this fool.  He gave us not only a decrease in growth but a huge increase in costs.

This did not need to happen, and only acceptable by a useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2744914 Such a idiot +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
9/30/2022 12:27:00 PM

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US GDP grew 5.7% in 2021 after decreasing 3.4% in 2020. 

 



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