It is absurd claim that Nazism is tied to the right.  We believe in capitalism.

It is assured for you on the left not to think you do not have a connection to Nazism.

Naziism with the "S" standing for socialism, the main connecting link to Nazism and the left is it's centralized goverment.  It is all you believe in, the goverment the answer to all problems.

One other main NazI belief is the division of cultures.  Don't try to tell me the left is not dividing us with its class based redistribution of weath and suppression of opposition.  the left is always putting people into groups, supporting your supremacy over others.  Do you still think Black people are to stupid to get a ID card?

A Nazi is someone with the core philosophy of the division of culture, though authoritarian force.  What the hell is the left doing.  We just posted about Berkeley waiting Jewish FreeZones.  This is even experienced on this site, kicking off opposite view points and even deleting posts.  But your are OK with that, with your core Nazis beliefs.

"To Crow" I don't know who you think I am, but nothing in your post answers any issue I raised about Trump, Trumpists tending toward fascism.

It is absurd claim that Nazism is tied to the right. We believe in capitalism.

Fascists believe in capitalism, too.

It is assured for you on the left not to think you do not have a connection to Nazism.

Trump and Trumpism have become identified with extreme right principles. Surprising, because before Trump's presidential campaign he had no real, fixed political positions; his only interest was becoming richer. Now that he has exercised real political power, that's his main goal- being powerful!

P.S. I never mentioned nazism in the first post on this subject. 

Naziism with the "S" standing for socialism, the main connecting link to Nazism and the left is it's centralized goverment. It is all you believe in, the goverment the answer to all problems.

Kinda simple, aintcha? Many many political philosophies believe in strong central government. 

Cite one post in which I advocate for a "centralized goverment". You can't because I never did so. 

One other main NazI belief is the division of cultures. Don't try to tell me the left is not dividing us with its class based redistribution of weath and suppression of opposition. the left is always putting people into groups, supporting your supremacy over others. 

"... suppression of opposition." Like the January 6 riot attacking Congress to prevent certification of the 2020 election?

Do you still think Black people are to stupid to get a ID card?

Again, I never ever said anything like that. You make stuff up to argue.

A Nazi is someone with the core philosophy of the division of culture, though authoritarian force. What the hell is the left doing.

I'm only a 'leftist' in that I'm not an extreme right winger like Trumpists. Everything in opposition to Trump is "left" because one can't possibly be anymore 'right' than you.

January 6 was a demonstration of the extreme right Trumpists willingness to use force, authoritarian force if they couod get Trump back in office.

We just posted about Berkeley waiting Jewish FreeZones. This is even experienced on this site, kicking off opposite view points and even deleting posts. But your are OK with that, with your core Nazis beliefs.

Look it up: SOME Berkely student groups do not wish to be addressed by Zionists. Not all Jews are Zionists.  And not all African Americans have rhythm and like fried chicken. 

I'm not the only one who sees Trumpism tending to fascism. 

 WASHINGTON, DC – JUNE 21: Wandrea ArShaye “Shaye” Moss (L), former Georgia election worker, is comforted by her mother Ruby Freeman (R) as Moss testifies during the fourth hearing on the January 6th investigation in the Cannon House Office Building on June 21, 2022 in Washington, DC. The bipartisan committee, which has been gathering evidence for almost a year related to the January 6 attack at the U.S. Capitol, is presenting its findings in a series of televised hearings. On January 6, 2021, supporters of former President Donald Trump attacked the U.S. Capitol Building during an attempt to disrupt a congressional vote to confirm the electoral college win for President Joe Biden. (Photo by Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)

Is there any fascist analog on the American left?

That’s one of those rhetorical questions that’s easily disposed of. There is no such thing as fascism on the American left. There might be violence on the American left, although there’s far less than there is on the right. This is a tactical move on the right to deny its own responsibility.  

A fascist government believes government over people and power over people. A fascist government would do something like hire 87,000 more IRS agents.  Fascism shows up in American as a Democratic not a small government republican.

I see you prefer propaganda over fact, you are truly a 

useful idiot.

Richard Barlow is an American intelligence analyst and a former expert in nuclear non-proliferation for the US Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the Department of Defense. He lost his job and was subjected to a campaign of persecution and intimidation after he expressed concern to his managers in the US Department of Defense over testimony to congress that he believed to be false about Pakistan's nuclear weapon program during the presidency of George H. W. Bush. Since then, he has had occasional contract work for various federal agencies including the CIA, the State Department, the FBI and Sandia National Laboratories. In 2013 he had been unemployed since 2004 when his job at Sandia had been eliminated. "If they had busted those [Pakistani] networks," he told journalist Jeff Stein, "Iran would have no nuclear program, North Korea wouldn't have a uranium bomb, and Pakistan wouldn't have over a hundred nuclear weapons they are driving around in vans to hide from us."

Perhaps fascist tendencies in Republican politics? There are similarities that we should consider- Trump has denounced elections, expressed a wish for perpetual power...

Is Trump the modern Republican equivalent of Hitler?

Are Trump Republicans Fascists?

“To call a person who endorses violence against the duly elected government a ‘Republican’ is itself Orwellian. More accurate words exist for such a person. One of them is ‘fascist.’”

Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank dropped the f-word after the Republican National Committee (RNC) on February 4 declared the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol “legitimate political discourse.” The RNC also censured US Representatives Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) for serving on the House committee investigating the Capitol attack.

Others—former George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum and Democratic journalist Ed Kilgore among them—agree that the Trump-appeasing GOP is akin to the European fascists who rose to power between the two world wars. The concern predates the RNC’s endorsement of violence. Frum noted the insurrection itself, while Kilgore detected such parallels to interwar fascism as a “foundational” lie (Nazi claims about German sellouts after World War I, Trump supporters’ claims about election theft) and alliances with “reactionary religious interests and radical elements among the police and military veterans.”

This semester, Jonathan Zatlin, a College of Arts & Sciences associate professor of history, is teaching Comparative European Fascism, about Hitler’s Germany, Mussolini’s Italy, and similar regimes that trafficked in violence, racism, and repression. He says critics of Trumpers fling “fascist” facilely and without historical reference. But that doesn’t mean there’s no danger from violent Trumpers, he adds, as well as from Republicans like Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), the Senate GOP leader, who thought they could restrain Trump. McConnell, for the record, publicly criticized the RNC earlier this week for censuring Cheney and Kinzinger and for normalizing the Capitol attack. He said it was “a violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent a peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one administration to the next.”

BU Today asked Zatlin his thoughts on analogizing MAGA to Hitler and Mussolini.

BU Today: Could the Republican Party be described as either fascist or fascist-leaning?

Jonathan Zatlin: From the historian’s perspective, fascism was a response to problems after 1918—the collapse of multiethnic empires, economic crises—that we don’t have today. If we’re experiencing crises, they’re crises that only superficially resemble what was going on in the interwar period: high inflation, the pandemic [of] the Spanish flu. What we’ve been experiencing the last couple of years are just very different situations. And we don’t have a four-year-long war that killed millions and traumatized a whole generation of young people who found it hard to be integrated back into society and work 9-to-5 jobs, then later experienced mass employment and a Depression lasting years. That, plus weak democratic traditions, led many Europeans to conclude that democracy brought crisis and poverty, and that only authoritarian regimes could ensure prosperity and stability.

Fascism was a response to long-term trends and what was going on after 1918. What you see today, what Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene are saying, is completely unoriginal. It is an attempt to resurrect those responses in the interwar period to democratic and liberal rule. It’s not clear to me that you can call them fascists, since fascism was a historical phenomenon. Simply because you think violence is good, and you think racism is good, doesn’t make you a fascist. 

There’s a libertarian strand of American politics, going back to 1776, that is used to interpret January 6 as a moment of positive antiauthoritarianism. If you think about Rosa Parks defying bad law, there’s nothing violent about that. Almost all January 6 insurrectionists—I wouldn’t call [them] fascists, because fascists are people who were involved in the interwar period. But there’s no question that they’re violent antidemocrats who are also violently racist. And the Republican Party is in danger of becoming the party of violence, antidemocracy, and racism. If there is any kind of similarity with the interwar period, it’s that you have conservatives willing to collaborate for political reasons with people who are often violent and racist and antidemocratic.

Some observers argue that local Republican officials and Republican judges thwarted Trump’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election, so we aren’t headed for autocracy. Any validity to that argument?

If you look at the interwar period, there’s no question that the civil service—especially in Germany, where democracy was linked to economic crises and the defeat of the [First World] War—was opposed to democracy. And that’s simply not the case in the United States. I don’t think that has anything to do with Republicans, actually; I think it’s that we’ve all been taught that democracy is a really important value. 

That said, the last president did try—and it seems Republican parties locally as well as on the state level are trying—to put public officials into office who don’t have democracy as a value, who believe violence is a legitimate part of public discourse, which it obviously isn’t. It’s a form of politics that is deeply disturbing, because it means the Republican Party has allied itself with antidemocratic values, violence, and racism.

Is there any fascist analog on the American left?

That’s one of those rhetorical questions that’s easily disposed of. There is no such thing as fascism on the American left. There might be violence on the American left, although there’s far less than there is on the right. This is a tactical move on the right to deny its own responsibility.  

Whatever you call today’s violent, racist, antidemocratic forces in the United States, are there lessons history offers for thwarting them?

You don’t make compromises with them. You have to call these things out. It’s important to call conspiracy theories out and debunk them. It’s a difficult thing to do, but all these things need to be called out. You cannot make alliances with people like this, because these ideas are so corrosive. [They] will swallow you whole. You cannot make idiotic statements like violence is part of democratic discourse. 

Conservatives believed they could contain fascists in the interwar period, and seem to think the same thing today. They bear responsibility not only for generating some of the ideas, but for collaborating with, and tolerating, a lot of the violence and racism. I see conservatives walking down a really precarious path, one that will endanger us all.

Position within the political spectrum

 

Left to right: Adolf Hitler, Hermann Göring, Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, and Rudolf Hess

 

Nazis alongside members of the far-right reactionary and <a title="Monarchism" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchism">monarchist German National People's Party (DNVP) during the brief NSDAP–DNVP alliance in the Harzburg Front from 1931 to 1932

The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics.^[24] Far-right themes in Nazism include the argument that superior people have a right to dominate other people and purge society of supposed inferior elements.^[25] Adolf Hitler and other proponents denied that Nazism was either left-wing or right-wing: instead, they officially portrayed Nazism as a syncretic movement.^[26][27] In Mein Kampf, Hitler directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany, saying:

Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of traitors ... But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms.^[28]