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Msg ID: 2747723 Thanks to Biden my portfolio is down as much as Elon's +3/-4     
Author:Founding Fathers
10/24/2022 12:14:02 PM

 

My IRA has fallen from over $318k to just over $200k. Over a 33% drop.

We gotta get this clown show out of the White House and get some adults running the country.

 

Elon Musk’s Fortune Has Fallen By More Than $100 Billion In Less Than A Year

In November last year, Tesla CEO Elon Musk became the first person in history to obtain a $300 billion fortune.From its peak on November 4, 2021, Musk’s fortune has fallen nearly 35%, from $320.3 billion to $209.4 billion as of close of market Thursday–almost entirely due to a sharp drop in the price of Tesla stock.



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Msg ID: 2747727 I wouldn't change anything now, that makes a paper loss a real loss. +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
10/24/2022 1:12:07 PM

Reply to: 2747723

But- you need to diversify your investments. If you lost 33% and it scares you, you're way too exposed to speculative, risky holdings. Yes, the profits can be very good, but losses are more significant in most people's views when they occur than the possible positives as the market swings back.

If anything, go as contrarian as you can stand and buy in a bear market.

Not surprised that you assign a short term standard to what is a long term phenomenon.

When your success compares to Elon Musk then your comparison would be meaningful. As it is, it's coincidence.



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Msg ID: 2747952 FYI, during the Trump years I was able to withdraw +2/-1     
Author:Founding Fathers
10/26/2022 9:14:57 PM

Reply to: 2747727

From my IRA's as I made money to pay down my mortgage.

And still keep my base amount.

I was only withdrawing gains and using it to pay bills. I went from a mortgage over $225k when Trump took office to approximately $58k, which is my balance now.

When BiDumbo took office I had approximately $315k in my IRA, today it went up to $220k.

I know about diverisfication. 

What I'm saying is if President Trump was still in the White House I'd probably have my mortgage and my truck paid off, just in earnings from my IRA.

Then I could have bought my Class A Diesel Pusher to travel around America because diesel would probably still be in the $2.50 a gallon price range.



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Msg ID: 2747728 People are hurting, Biden did this! +3/-2     
Author:Old Guy
10/24/2022 1:20:01 PM

Reply to: 2747723

There is also a big jump in payment delinquencies.  This economy is not improving anyones lives.

What is a shock is people like Bladeslap that keep supporting this shit when they cannot even produce a post that supports any of the agenda on the left.  All they can post about is Trump, but I have news for them, Trump did not give us any of this crap.

A few posts ago, I listed just a few of the failures Biden has given us!  Bladeslap could only reply with something about how Trump lost.  He can't even defend the left and their accomplishments.

My guess now that you have reported you loss, you may get a reply that it is normal, the market goes up and down.  And Biden is not responsible for your loss.  Their lack of understanding is astonishing, without Biden your financial gain could have easily been over 66%, not experiencing the 33% loss and gaining 33%.

I am sorry this is happening, it's happening to many of use.  My income is down and expenses up.

The clown must go

 

 



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Msg ID: 2747738 "... supports any of the agenda on the left." You suffer from a very limite +4/-1     
Author:TheCrow
10/24/2022 3:59:01 PM

Reply to: 2747728

"... supports any of the agenda on the left." You suffer from a very limited political viewpoint in that any opposition to Trump, Trumpist positions can not, by definition, be further 'right'. Therefore, all criticism and opposition to Trump, Trumpism is, in your view, from the 'left' even though an impartial, non-partisan estimate of the criticism is that it is center right or entirely centrist but more 'liberal' than Trump, Trumpism. And that is exactly the position of the majority of Americans- centrist and leaning somewhat left or right depending on specific issues.

Your insistence on far right positions is the reason Trump will not be a successful candidate again. It's also why Trump's influence in conservative and Republican politics is shrinking- Trump is of 2015, 2016 and those days are gone, gone, GONE.

Economies are cyclic. What Trump did do was extend the expanding economy that he inherited until he screwed the COVID-19 pooch. That was the end of that expansion, period. The sharpest economic contraction since the Great Depression (and no world war to boost the recovery), the highest unemployment rate ever and a million dead Americans were the result of Trump minimizing the hazard of the epidemic.

 

Is Biden an unlimited success? Nope, but he's not Trump and has not created any comparable disaster to America's 2020 Trump COVID Recession.

As posted many times before, the economy is cyclic, this contraction has been forecast for years, perhaps a decade. Will it be minimal as has been predicted? Or, are the signs pointing to a more severe outcome?

 

Your 33% decline is your baby entirely, I would guess. Diversify, diversify, diversify! Apportioning your investments into mostly high yield high risk will make you money in the short run, but it will test you in a longer term when it swings to big losses- the economy is cyclic.

I would fire my investment manager was I you.

Stop whining here, you aren't the only one facing challenges.



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Msg ID: 2747743 You are not allowed to make your own truth! +5/-1     
Author:Old Guy
10/24/2022 4:56:53 PM

Reply to: 2747738

Just about everything you posted was made up, no truth.

First of all, Trumps economy set records!  Biden has produced a dismal failure.  You are aware that the GDP growth in Trumps last quarter was a increase of over 30%.  Biden takes over we are now in a inflationary recession!  Biden's incompetence is staggering, the midterms will show that.

You say the economy is cyclic, yes it is, because of government interference.  Go ahead tell me the time that the market took a drop without some kind of government interferenc.  Without the government the market is self regulating, and rapidly adjusts to free market moves.  You are NO conservative, or you would understand economy basics.

If your 401k program is thru your emploser, you have very little choices on diversity , what they offer is what you get.  Crow, with a down market, it doesn't make a big difference, it is ALL down over 25%.  So you lose 10%, 20% 33%, or more!  This decline in the market is directly caused by Biden.



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Msg ID: 2747745 You are not allowed to make your own truth! +3/-2     
Author:TheCrow
10/24/2022 5:08:01 PM

Reply to: 2747743

 You are aware that the GDP growth in Trumps last quarter was a increase of over 30%.  

You're gonna have to cite that data. I will allow that Trump's recovery from the self-inflicted Covid 19 Epidemic and Recession showed strength after 2020's 3.4% slump, increasing by 5.67%.

Graphed, the line extended from 2018, 2019 to 2021 recovered to pre-pandemic figures. That still means Trump crashed the economy by mishandling COVID-19 for a couple, three months.




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Msg ID: 2747747 You are not allowed to make your own truth! +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
10/24/2022 5:18:22 PM

Reply to: 2747745

At least compare apples to apples!

using different data does not prove your point.



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Msg ID: 2747754 You are not allowed to make your own truth! +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
10/24/2022 7:37:46 PM

Reply to: 2747747

And neither are you. Cite the data that supports your position.



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Msg ID: 2747744 People are hurting, Biden did this! +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
10/24/2022 5:01:13 PM

Reply to: 2747728

There is also a big jump in payment delinquencies.  This economy is not improving anyones lives.

I know what- cite something that supports your post.

In the meantime, I'll cite reports that contradict your Trumpian doom and gloom (

"Wages are still growing, but less rapidly in some sectors"

(See below, sunshine)

 

A slowdown of the labor market appears to be taking hold, relieving some pressure on inflation. But hiring remains resilient and the Federal Reserve is likely to continue raising rates aggressively.

  • The U.S. added 263,000 jobs in September as the Fed pushed to cool the economy.

  • Markets fall as investors assess the state of jobs and inflation.

  • Wages continued to climb, keeping the Fed on course.

  • Employment grew across the economy, but is leveling off in several sectors.

  • The labor participation rate was little changed.

  • Biden warns inflation will worsen if Republicans retake congress.

 
 

>The U.S. added 263,000 jobs in September as the Fed pushed to cool the economy.

Monthly change in jobs (each broken line marks 2%)

 

jobs +263,000 in September

Data is seasonally adjusted.

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics

The labor market remained strong in September, showing its resilience. But the persistent strength in hiring also underscored the challenges facing the Federal Reserve as it tries to curtail job growth enough to tame inflation.

Employers added 263,000 jobs last month on a seasonally adjusted basis, the Labor Department said Friday. That was down from 315,000 in August. The unemployment rate fell to 3.5 percent, from 3.7 percent a month earlier.

“If I had just woken up from a really long nap and seen these numbers, I would conclude that we still have one of the strongest job markets that we’ve ever enjoyed,” said Carl Tannenbaum, chief economist at Northern Trust.

Labor participation was little changed in September, at 62.3 percent, around where it has hovered for the duration of the year but still below where it was before the pandemic. Wages rose 0.3 percent, matching the prior month’s gain.

The Federal Reserve’s next rate decision is scheduled for Nov. 2, and officials have emphasized that the central bank is watching the jobs data closely as they determine how aggressive to be. They are eager to see evidence that interest-rate increases are cooling off a frenzied labor market, but not enough to tip the economy into a recession. For months, job growth defied expectations, as employers continued to add workers despite increased borrowing costs.

More recently, there have been indications that employers are beginning to rein in hiring. The number of job openings decreased in August, to 10.1 million from 11.2 million in July. Filings for unemployment benefits last week rose modestly. Companies, including Walmart and Amazon, have announced slowdowns in hiring, while others, including FedEx, have frozen hiring altogether.

“The labor market has been a Ferrari the last year and a half,” said Nick Bunker, director of North American economic research for the career site Indeed. “It’s slowing down but still moving very, very quickly.”

The report is the second-to-last before the midterm elections, and both parties are almost certain to seize on the data to make the case that they are the best stewards of the economy.

Jeanna Smialek contributed reporting.

 

Markets fall as investors assess the state of jobs and inflation.

 

Signs of strength in the labor market are normally a good thing for investors. But fresh data on Friday served only to cement expectations that the Federal Reserve will need to slow the economy further to bring down inflation, weighing on stock prices.

The S&P 500 recorded its worst day since mid-September, falling 2.8 percent on Friday, dragged down by interest rate-sensitive sectors like technology stocks, though more than 95 percent of the stocks in the index ended the day in the red.

The Nasdaq Composite index, heavily weighted toward tech-stocks, fell 3.8 percent, while government bond yields, indicative of the future path of interest rates, rose and the dollar strengthened.

American employers added 263,000 jobs in September, down from 315,000 in August, the Labor Department said early Friday. While the slight slowdown in hiring offered another signal that the Fed’s efforts to cool the economy and reduce inflation were having an effect, it was balanced against a drop in the unemployment rate to 3.5 percent from 3.7 percent, reinforcing a sense that the labor market remains robust.

While that is typically positive, at the moment a resilient labor market is bad news for investors, as it points to the need for the Fed to raise interest rates even more than it already has. Higher rates, in turn, raise costs for companies, weighing on stock prices.

“At this point, the market is looking for any reason for the Fed to blink,” said Ian Lyngen, an interest rate strategist at BMO Capital Markets. “This report didn’t give it to us.”

Despite Friday’s drop, a rally on Monday and Tuesday left the S&P 500 1.5 percent higher for the week, after three straight weeks of losses. Some investors had started to consider the idea that the Fed might veer from its path of higher interest rates, as economic data had begun to show the economy cooling.

But policymakers quickly dashed any expectation of an immediate policy shift in the run-up to Friday’s data release, cautioning against the idea that the Fed’s fight against inflation was nearly over. For investors, the fresh numbers confirmed what they had already been told.

Market expectations of how much the Fed will raise interest rates when officials meet in November nudged upward on Friday, predicting another three-quarter-point increase. Such an increase was seen as unusually large not long ago. But if the Fed raises rates by that much next month, it would be the fourth time this year that it’s done so.

“I would say this is what the Fed is going to do,” Andrew Brenner, the head of international fixed income at National Alliance Securities, said of forecasts for another aggressive Fed rate increase. He added that it would take a significant slowdown in consumer prices — a widely watched gauge of inflation — when the latest data is released next week to alter policymakers’ path. “I don’t see anything to deter them at this point.”

The Fed has already raised interest rates rapidly this year, alongside other central banks around the world. They are all fighting high inflation, stemming from the reopening of economies after the start of the pandemic, and amplified by soaring energy prices after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

The consensus among investors is for interest rates to rise another 1.25 percentage points before the end of the year, reaching a peak around 4.6 percent next year, in line with Fed policymakers’ forecasts. But investors continue to bet that an economic slowdown, alongside falling inflation, could prompt the central bank to begin lowering rates before the end of 2023, sooner than Fed officials have forecast.

The concern is that a more sustained period of higher interest rates could destabilize the financial system, leading to the kinds of whipsaw price movements that sent shock waves through British government bond markets last month.

One measure of the ferocity of price movements, or “volatility,” in the U.S. government bond market closed out the week near levels last seen during the worst of the pandemic-induced sell-off in March 2020. Stock price volatility also remains elevated, according to the CBOE’s Vix Volatility Index, otherwise known as Wall Street’s “fear gauge.”

The Fed “would like to slow down,” said Ellen Zentner, the chief U.S. economist at Morgan Stanley. “It’s dangerous when you go at this speed for too long. But I think this report is another piece of evidence that they are going to deliver another outsized hike in November.”

Investors will be watching for clearer signs on how higher interest rates are affecting corporate profits as quarterly earnings reports for the third quarter ramp up next week. As things stand, the S&P 500 remains more than 23 percent below where it started the year.

Elsewhere on Friday, Europe’s Stoxx 600 index slumped 1.2 percent, Japan’s Topix dipped 0.8 percent and China’s CSI 300 fell 0.6 percent.

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Wages continued to climb, keeping the Fed on course.

Wage growth remained strong in September, a sign of continued labor market strength that is likely to keep the Federal Reserve squarely focused on fighting inflation in the months ahead.

Average hourly earnings climbed 5 percent from a year earlier, the Labor Department reported, roughly matching economists’ expectations but slowing down slightly from the prior annual reading. Wages had climbed 5.2 percent in the year through August.

On a monthly basis, wages rose 0.3 percent, matching both economists’ expectations and the prior month's gain.

Wage growth is failing to keep up with inflation, but it has remained fast enough that central bankers see it as a sign that they have more work to do when it comes to cooling off the economy. As long as wages are climbing rapidly, it will be difficult for inflation to moderate toward the central bank’s 2 percent goal because employers are likely to continue raising prices to cover increasing labor costs without losing profits.

Wages are still growing, but less rapidly in some sectors

“Continued strong wage increases will likely put further upward pressure on service price inflation,” Lisa D. Cook, a Fed governor, said in a speech on Thursday.

Officials have been carefully eyeing labor market strength and trying to determine when rapid pay gains will slow, but continued solid hiring and a very low unemployment rate have suggested that tight employment conditions will last for some time.

“In a market with more job openings than workers, the competition to fill vacancies is leading to rapid wage gains now, and the resulting salary compression may lead to further upward wage pressures in the future,” Philip N. Jefferson, another Fed governor, said in a speech this week.

Fed officials have raised interest rates five times this year, with jumbo-size three-quarter-point moves at each of their last three meetings, as they move aggressively to slow spending and the job market and tame the fastest price increases in four decades. Central bankers have signaled in speeches this week that they remain resolute in trying to wrestle inflation lower, and that they are waiting for clear signs that the economy is headed back toward price stability before they pull back from that effort.

“These data do not change the near-term course of monetary policy,” Rubeela Farooqi, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, wrote after Friday’s employment report.

 

Employment grew across the economy, but is leveling off in several sectors.

While some parts of the economy are regaining their prepandemic levels, others have started to show weakness as consumers pull back on spending in the face of financial instability.

Health care is the latest industry to recover to its size in February 2020, adding 60,000 jobs last month. Reflecting a continuing shift away from residential facility-based care for older people, employment in nursing homes is down by 346,000 since the beginning of the pandemic, while home health care services have added about 34,000 jobs. Child day care services, considered crucial for the ability of parents to go to work themselves, shed jobs for the second month and is still down by more than 100,000 since the start of the pandemic.

Leisure and hospitality continued to grow as well, but remains 6.7 percent below where it stood before the coronavirus restricted travel and group social activity. There are some indications that the sector may require fewer jobs over the long term, as many hotels have cut back on daily room cleanings and not called back all of their workers, even as room occupancy has bounced back.

Construction continues to defy rising interest rates that have deeply depressed home builder sentiment and started to reduce the number of new homes under construction. While employment in residential construction stalled, the sector overall added 19,000 jobs in September, mostly for specialty trade contractors who work in remodeling, maintenance, and site preparation.

Manufacturing continued its robust rebound, climbing to nearly 100,000 jobs above its employment level in early 2020, when growth had been sputtering. The growth mainly came from auto manufacturers, while furniture manufacturing, which is tied to the housing industry, slowed. Rising interest rates could suppress exports and domestic purchases of large durable goods, but this may be offset by new federal support for production of semiconductors and wind and solar installations.

Retail hiring was basically flat and jobs in trucking dropped sharply, falling by more than 11,000 positions. This reflected the slowdown in businesses that sell and transport goods, where spending growth has been easing for months as consumers shifted from purchases of products to outlays on travel, meals and entertainment.

White-collar industries saw workers continue to return to the office, as children went back to school and more workplaces required in-person attendance. Only 5.2 percent of people worked remotely in September, down from 6.5 percent the previous month, but some economists have questioned the reliability of these figures because many people might still be working remotely but no longer cite the pandemic as the reason.

The labor participation rate was little changed.

 

Share of people who are in the labor force (employed, unemployed but looking for work or on temporary layoff)

Labor force participation was little changed in September, showing that the share of Americans who are working or looking for work continues to flatline at a level well below what was normal before the pandemic — and that the rebound that policymakers and employers alike have been hoping for remains elusive.

Participation ticked down slightly to 62.3 percent from 62.4 percent in August, the Labor Department reported, keeping it at the level it has hovered around for most of 2022. In February 2020, the month before the pandemic began to seriously weigh on the labor market, participation stood at 63.4 percent.

Monetary policymakers spent much of last year hoping that as the coronavirus became less deadly and schools and day care centers reopened, workers who were lingering on the job market’s sidelines would return. That has happened only slowly, and progress in pushing participation higher appears to have stalled in recent months.

“Labor force participation has recovered more slowly than expected and has largely moved sideways this year,” Lisa D. Cook, a Fed governor, said in a speech on Thursday.

With a dearth of available workers, employers have been scrambling to hire, and job openings far outnumber applicants. That has helped to push pay up — albeit not quickly enough to cover inflation. Still, with wages growing briskly, it is likely that employers will continue to charge their customers more to cover rising labor bills.

While central bankers at the Fed had initially hoped that a rebound in labor supply would help to alleviate labor shortages and bring the job market back into balance, that possibility becomes more tenuous with each passing month of participation rate stagnation.

“If the health impact of Covid-19 continues to diminish, I am optimistic that more workers will re-enter the labor force, but there is a risk that labor supply remains below its prepandemic trend,” Ms. Cook said this week.

 

Is the labor market losing its sizzle?

 
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A Biggby Coffee store in Sterling Heights, Mich. Until recently, staffing shortages at some locations were so severe that many of the chain’s 300-plus stores had to close early some days.
A Biggby Coffee store in Sterling Heights, Mich. Until recently, staffing shortages at some locations were so severe that many of the chain’s 300-plus stores had to close early some days.Credit...Sarah Rice for The New York Times
 
 

Even before the government releases its monthly payroll figures on Friday, there were signs that the red-hot labor market may be coming off its boiling point.

Wage growth has slowed. Fewer Americans are quitting their jobs than were doing so earlier this year, a sign that the period of rapid job switching, sometimes called the Great Resignation, may be nearing its end. Major employers such as Walmart and Amazon have announced slowdowns in hiring; others, such as FedEx, have frozen hiring altogether.

Taken together, those signals point to an economic environment in which employers may be regaining some of the leverage they ceded to workers during the pandemic months, Sydney Ember and Ben Casselman report for The New York Times.

That is bad news for workers, particularly those at the bottom of the pay ladder who have been able to take advantage of the hot labor market to demand higher pay, more flexible schedules and other benefits.

But for employers — and for policymakers at the Federal Reserve — the calculation looks different. A modest cooling would be welcome after months in which employers struggled to find enough workers to meet strong demand, and in which rapid wage growth contributed to the fastest inflation in decades.


LESS TURNOVER, SMALLER RAISES
Unemployment is low, and hiring is strong. But there are signs that frenzied turnover and rapid wage growth are abating.


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