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Msg ID: 2749274 Does it concern anyone that Arizona and Nevada can't count? +3/-4     
Author:Citizens for sanity
11/11/2022 4:46:49 PM

These states have far less people than many other states. Yet it takes them a week to count what everyone else can do in a singe day.

Florida has 3 times as many people and had their results by 11 that same night.

Kind of makes you wonder what they are doing, doesn't it?

My guess is they are figuring out exactly how many more votes are needed to declare victory.

I find it hard to believe there are that many Americans that enjoy paying extremely high gas prices, high grocery prices, high utility costs, and inflated housing costs / interest rates.

I know we were once called deplorables by a presidential hasbeen. But are we witnessing a party that is simply ignorant and uneducated.

I mean they interviewed a Georgia voter and this guy said he only voted for the governor's race, because the senate race didn't effect him. Can you imagine what is rattling around that guy's head?

People really need to open their eyes and see what reality looks like.

Think of the children for God's sake!!!!!!!!!!



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Msg ID: 2749300 There we go again .. +3/-1     
Author:bladeslap
11/12/2022 8:48:49 AM

Reply to: 2749274

Obsy,

It must be some grand cospiracy. Everybody is out to get get the republicans ...

The laws are different in every state to include when you can drop off ballots, how late early voting goes, etc ... Florida has much stricter laws as to when you can drop it off, how far ahead of time, etc ....

Some states allow you to  have the ballot postmarked by election day and it will still be counted.

I'm sorry Nevada's timeline is not comaptible with your level of patience, but in the end, they will have a fair and accurate vote count devoid of any of your conpsiracy theories.

Btw, they're still showing the Dems as having a 1 in 4 chance of capturing the house.



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Msg ID: 2749309 There we go again .. exactly +3/-2     
Author:Citizens for sanity
11/12/2022 9:56:10 AM

Reply to: 2749300

So explain how Florida has their results in one day and have more than 3 times the number of people.

Patience isn't the issue here.

This delay only promotes the perception of deception and intentional ballot tampering.

Most Americans are looking at this and wondering WHY?

We all know what these democrats are capable of doing. History has shown us there are no limits to their deceit.

ACORN

Black panthers

BLM

ANTIFA

The list is endless

The one common denominator is the fact they all lean to the left when deception is present.

And of course democrats will cry foul when they lose and when they win......."NOTHING TO SEE HERE"

Remember what Stacy Abrams said, " If I don't win, it's because of voter suppression".

So basically democracy doesn't exist unless the dems win.

Can't really argue that



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Msg ID: 2749311 Bladeslap, a fair and honest election must not be your concern  +3/-3     
Author:Old Guy
11/12/2022 11:05:31 AM

Reply to: 2749300

"Some states allow you to have the ballot postmarked by Election Day and still be counted "

How unfair that is as displayed in every state that does it.  How do you think states have that big democratic vote count at the end of the election.  All that needs to be done is to make fraudulent ballots under the names of people that ballots haven' arrived yet.



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Msg ID: 2749325 Bladeslap, a fair and honest election must not be your concern  +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
11/12/2022 1:57:36 PM

Reply to: 2749311

"Some states allow you to have the ballot postmarked by Election Day and still be counted "

And some incumbents call governors to ask that they 'find ballots' cast for them...



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Msg ID: 2749371 Why do you create lies like that crow. +1/-2     
Author:Citizens for sanity
11/13/2022 9:19:49 AM

Reply to: 2749325

You know that Trump never once said anything remotely like that.

He asked Kemp to perform a legitimate audit of votes. Not a recount

A recount is a waste of time.

There was a multitude of ballots that were duplicated, cast by dead people, or simply did not live in the state anymore.

Heck, my neighbor alone recieved 7 mail-in ballots. And never asked for one.

Hence the bill Kemp passed.

And the democrats screamed voter suppression. Of course they did.

Explain why the democrats are always at the heart of fraud. Every incident that has been uncovered has always favored the dems. Almost sounds like a common denominator.

And then the libs come out of the woodwork and claim everything is on the up & up. Well gee boys and girl, if everything leaned in my favor, I guess I'd be happy with the results as well.

You' should do your due diligence before spewing misinformation. Especially when you know you are doing it



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Msg ID: 2749326 Bladeslap, a fair and honest election must not be your concern  +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
11/12/2022 2:00:48 PM

Reply to: 2749311
You mean like this?  I guess that the men's wear stores were out of brown shirts...
 
 
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  • A U.S. District Court judge appointed by Trump ordered members of Clean Elections USA to stay at least 75 feet away from drop boxes and not to follow or speak to voters in Arizona.
  • They were also told they couldn’t openly carry weapons.
  • The ruling was in response to a temporary restraining order filed by two voter advocacy groups, alleging the poll watchers were trying to “bully and intimidate lawful Arizona voters.”
A voter places a ballot in a drop box outside of the Maricopa County Elections Department on August 02, 2022 in Phoenix, Arizona.
A voter places a ballot in a drop box outside of the Maricopa County Elections Department on August 02, 2022 in Phoenix, Arizona.
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Follow CNBC’s live blog covering Tuesday’s midterm elections here.

A pair of armed and masked men in tactical gear stood guard at ballot drop boxes in Mesa, Ariz., on Oct. 21 as people began early voting for the 2022 midterm elections.

They belonged to an election monitoring group called Clean Elections USA, which has echoed former President Donald Trump’s false claims that the 2020 election was stolen. The group says it’s watching early voting in select counties for signs of fraud. But its presence caused unease among Maricopa County voters, who saw these “drop box watchers” as a blatant attempt at voter intimidation.

Arizona election officials step up security after reports of voter intimidation
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Arizona election officials step up security after reports of voter intimidation
 

“Uninformed vigilantes outside Maricopa County’s drop boxes are not increasing election integrity. Instead they are leading to voter intimidation complaints,” Maricopa County election officials Bill Gates and Stephen Richer said in a joint statement the next day.

A U.S. District Court judge appointed by Trump, Michael Liburdi, ordered members of Clean Elections USA to stay at least 75 feet away from drop boxes and not to follow or speak to voters. They were also told they couldn’t openly carry weapons. The ruling was in response to a temporary restraining order filed by two voter advocacy groups, alleging the poll watchers were trying to “bully and intimidate lawful Arizona voters.”

Two armed individuals dressed in tactical gear were onsite the Mesa ballot drop box.
Two armed individuals dressed in tactical gear were onsite the Mesa ballot drop box.
Source: Maricopa County Recorder’s Office and Maricopa County

“We are deeply concerned about the safety of individuals who are exercising their constitutional right to vote and who are lawfully taking their early ballot to a drop box,” Gates and Richer said.

While Arizona has seen a host of voter-intimidation reports, the state is certainly not alone. Fears about voter intimidation and suppression have been brewing nationwide since the 2020 presidential election, when Trump refused to accept his loss and accused several states of voter fraud.

The rising rhetoric has tensions running high going into Tuesday’s midterms. Two in five U.S. voters said they were worried about threats of violence or voter intimidation at the polls, according to a new Reuters/Ipso poll.

The same disinformation about election fraud that fueled the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot is the same disinformation that’s “threatening political violence related to our elections,” Mary McCord, the executive director of the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection and former federal prosecutor, said in an interview on PBS Newshour:

“And by political violence, I don’t just mean physical violence. I mean intimidation, voter intimidation, intimidation and threats and harassment against our election workers, aggressive recruitment of poll watchers from groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers to be really a force for intimidation at the polls, and other types of really anti-democratic processes that are being driven, again, by the same disinformation and lies about the 2020 election,” McCord said.

President Joe Biden noted the rise in political violence in a speech Wednesday night, calling on voters to go to the polls next week to help preserve democracy.

“There’s an alarming rise in the number of people in this country condoning political violence or simply remaining silent,” Biden said. “In our bones we know democracy is at risk, but we also know this: It’s in our power to preserve our democracy.”

His remarks also came on the heels of the violent attack against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul, in their San Francisco home.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY, said the country was facing an “environment of fascism.”

“This type of intimidation at the polls brings us to Jim Crow,” Ocasio-Cortez said in an Oct. 28 interview on MSNBC’s “All In With Chris Hayes.” “It brings us back and harkens back to a very unique form of American apartheid that is not that long past ago.”

Two armed individuals dressed in tactical gear were onsite the Mesa ballot drop box.
Two armed individuals dressed in tactical gear were onsite the Mesa ballot drop box.
Source: Maricopa County Recorder’s Office and Maricopa County

With political-violence and voter-suppression concerns at an all time high, federal agencies and nonprofits are taking the threat to election integrity with heightened seriousness.

The Department of Justice stepped up efforts in recent weeks to protect voters and election workers. The agency launched an election threats task force in July 2021 to ensure voters are safe at the polls and to investigate intimidation of election workers.

In early October, the FBI warned voters about possible election crimes ahead of the midterms, emphasizing its efforts to educate voters on their rights and encouraging them to report violations. Election crimes fall under three broad categories, according to the FBI: ballot or voter fraud, campaign finance violations and the violation of civil rights, including voter suppression or voter intimidation.

The DOJ has made a point of underscoring its hard-line position against voter intimidation.

“The Justice Department has an obligation to guarantee a free and fair vote by everyone who’s qualified to vote and will not permit voters to be intimidated,” Attorney General Merrick Garland said during an Oct. 24 press briefing.

The Brennan Center for Justice, a nonprofit law and public policy institute, identified 10 states at a high risk of disruption due to the volume of false allegations and anti-voter activity. They are Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas and Wisconsin.

Many states have instituted additional safeguards to help ease concerns in the lead-up to, and on, Election Day.

In New York, Attorney General Letitia James issued voter-protection guidance to local boards of elections and law enforcement. The 15-page guide outlines the constitutional and legal protections afforded to voters, as well as what is permitted at polling stations and what is not. James also established a statewide election protection hotline for voters.

“Voting is a fundamental right and integral to the sanctity of our democracy, and I urge anyone who encounters obstacles to contact my office. I will not allow anyone to threaten the right to vote in New York state,” James said in a statement.

Similarly, New Jersey Attorney General Matthew Platkin established a voter protection initiative to identify and address any voting rights or civil rights violations in early voting and at the polls “to ensure that every eligible voter will be able to cast a ballot, and that anyone who attempts to interfere with the voting process will be held accountable to the full extent of the law.”

Nonpartisan voter-protection hotlines also are available in Illinois, Indiana, North Carolina and Montana, in addition to hotlines run by the American Civil Liberties Union at both the state and national level. Election Day voters can call local election offices to report any complaints.

“We always hope and expect that elections will run smoothly and voters will not encounter any problems.  However, we know that issues do arise and we are on standby to help voters resolve these issues and make sure their voices are heard,” ACLU West Virginia advocacy director Eli Baumwell said in a statement.



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Msg ID: 2749327 Does it concern anyone that Arizona and Nevada can't count? +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
11/12/2022 2:18:06 PM

Reply to: 2749274

"These states have far less people than many other states. Yet it takes them a week to count what everyone else can do in a singe day."

 

How many times have Arizona been sued over elections?  Perhaps Arizona wishes an accurate count of the ballots?

 

The Pattern of GOP Voter Fraud

In case after case from 2020, it turns out that Republicans were the ones misbehaving at the ballot box.
 
NOVEMBER 18, 2021 
The Pattern of GOP Voter Fraud
A protester holds a placard saying Stop the steal during the demonstration. Protesters gathered at the state's legislative building to protest various causes such as the Biden inauguration, Covid-19 restriction, vaccine, religious ideas, QAnon, common core education, without a cohesive message, during the first day of the 81st (2021) Session of the Nevada Legislature. (Photo by Ty O'Neil/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images)

On Tuesday, Donald Kirk Hartle, the CFO of a Nevada company that hosted a September 2020 rally for Donald Trump, pleaded guilty to voting twice in last November’s election, including once in his dead wife’s name. Hartle is just the latest in a string of apparent Trump supporters who committed voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election. This pattern is a warning of the lawlessness among Trump’s followers that could engulf us all.

Hartle’s case is particularly stomach-turning. Last November, before it was discovered that he was the culprit, he feigned “disbelief” that someone would steal and submit his dead wife’s ballot. “That is pretty sickening to me, to be honest with you,” he saidadding, with a provocateur’s flair, that “it makes you wonder how pervasive this is.”

We know from Trump Attorney General William Barr and Acting AG Jeffrey Rosen that ballot fraud was not widespread and had no effect on Trump’s defeat. That fact did not stop Trump and his enablers from banging the “Stop the Steal” drum incessantly.

Those enablers were happy to exploit Hartle’s cover story before his confession. Republicans hyped Hartle’s phony claim of an unknown ballot thief as Exhibit A in their case that the election was stolen. American Conservative Union chair Matt Schlapp joined in. On Fox News, Tucker Carlson used the case to amplify Trump’s Big Lie about the election.

Hartle’s faux sanctimony playing on his wife’s death may have set a new low for hypocrisy, but there’s more than a single case at play here.

The Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank, maintains a public database of ballot-fraud cases. A review of the database reveals an astonishing fact: In every listed indictment and conviction for voter fraud or other malfeasance in connection with the 2020 presidential general election, when the culprit’s political affiliation is known he or she turns out to be a Republican or “unabashed conservative.”

In May 2021, Arizona indicted Tracy Lee McKay for voting in her dead mother’s name last November. McKay is a registered Republican. “Voter fraud cases are rare,” the Arizona Mirror reported.

Still, there appears to have been a bit of an epidemic of Republican dead mothers voting. In Pennsylvania, Robert Richard Lynn pleaded guilty in August to doing the same thing as McKay with his deceased mother’s ballot in the 2020 presidential election. In May, Bruce Bartman, to borrow poker vernacular, “saw Lynn and raised him one”: He pleaded guilty to registering to vote in both his dead mother’s name and that of his dead mother-in-law. He registered both women as Republicans, and actually cast a ballot as his mother. “I listened to too much propaganda and made a stupid mistake,” he told the judge at his sentencing.

Republican Ralph Holloway Thurman also made it a family affair. Thurman, a Pennsylvania voter, asked poll worker Eric Frank while voting whether he (Thurman) could vote for his son as well as himself. Hours after Frank answered “no,” he recognized Thurman back in line wearing sunglasses. Frank alerted authorities, resulting in Thurman’s successful prosecution for attempting to vote twice. The case gained notoriety last month when Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R) honored his pledge to pay $25,000 to anyone reporting voter fraud. The pledge was intended to find proof of anti-Trump shenanigans, but last month Patrick sent a check to Frank, a Democrat who found proof of Republican voter fraud.

The Heritage Foundation database also lists Edward Snodgrass, a Republican town trustee in Ohio. He varied the family pattern from the maternal to the paternal, agreeing to plead guilty for voting for his dead father.

In Virginia, Jonathan Meade West Sr., an “unabashed conservative,” was convicted in January of trying to vote twice, once by absentee ballot and once in person.

To be sure, there are plenty of historical instances when Democrats committed voter fraud. And yes, there may well be cases from 2020 that are not yet reflected in the Heritage Foundation’s database, or errors in the database. (Indeed, the database mistakenly describes one case of fraud in Colorado’s 2020 presidential primary as being a case of fraud in the general election. And the party affiliation of one man who forged his daughter’s signature on an absentee ballot remains unclear.)

But just going by the database as it stands now, there’s enough of a pattern to draw a conclusion: A breakdown of the constraints of law occurred under the bombarding messages of Donald Trump and his enablers. Among Trump’s followers, the end—one party under Trump—apparently justifies the means of breaking the law to vote for him twice.

When legal boundaries lose their meaning for substantial portions of a country’s population, the consequences are dire, as we saw on January 6. Public order can be easily lost. That puts all of us at risk, whether we live in Washington, D.C. or Lansing or Boise or Salem, Oregon. As Margaret Thatcher said, “You cannot have freedom without a rule of law.”

Trump Republicans are still sticking to their leader’s catechism of “ballot fraud” more than a year after the election he lost, so don’t expect them to acknowledge the infrequency of fraud, let alone the fact that their followers, and only their followers, have been convicted of the crime in the 2020 election.

The rest of us, however, especially responsible Republicans and former Republicans, can call out the visible lawbreaking that Trump hath wrought, and its dangers. The country needs two parties that believe in the law or there will be no order.



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