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Msg ID: 2757665 This is a Typical Trumpian Act -- Old guy you still like her? +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/27/2022 11:59:51 AM




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Msg ID: 2757667 One more prime example of the failure of honest elections +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
12/27/2022 12:21:35 PM

Reply to: 2757665

Did you know the Judge ruled against her, NOT BECAUSE OF NO PROOF OF A FRAUDULENT ELECTION, BUT BECAUSE HE CONSIDERED THERE WAS NO INTENT.

Our country is losing at ever step to be free and democratic.

 

 



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Msg ID: 2757675 One more prime example of the failure of honest elections +4/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/27/2022 2:09:11 PM

Reply to: 2757667

Incorrect Old guy ... Read what the judge said before you hit your capitals key next tiem

1. There were malfunctions with some of the printers - This happens in every election

2. EVERYBODY's vote was counted and the only issue was that there were delays, not incorrectly or uncounted ballots (That is a fact, not fiction)

3. No proof that the malfunctions were intentional NOR that they would have caused a difference in the outcome

I will read it to you again:

In a decision Saturday, Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Peter Thompson, who was appointed by then-Republican Gov. Jan Brewer, found that the court did not find clear and convincing evidence of the widespread misconduct that Lake had alleged had affected the result of the 2022 general election.

Furthermore, her claim about the machines

County officials say the ballot images were slightly smaller as a result of a shrink-to-fit feature being selected on a printer by a tech employee who was looking for solutions to Election Day issues. They say about 1,200 ballots were affected by turning on the feature and that those ballots were duplicated so that they could be read by a tabulator. Ultimately, these ballots were counted, officials said.

So, when you get down to the facts, the REPUBLICAN JUDGE correctly ruled that Lake showed zero evidence of fraud and zero evidence that the outcome would be any different since

EVERY SINGLE BALLOT WAS PROPERLY TABULATED AND COUNTED ...

She lost, rightfully so, and it pulling a page from Trump's playbook - 

I got news for you Old guy ...

Trump is becomig Irrelevant...i told you about this years ago .. Irrelevant. Everybody knows he's a fraud. Hell, ask Flipper about his thoughts ... Every single one of my friends who voted for him said "I'm not voting for him next time aroudn " ... Why?

 

He is a FRAUD...Why did Kari Lake go to Maro Lago? Beause she's a fraud too. Plain and simple. 

I'm sorry and actually feel bad for you that you still don't want to admit this, but in time I believe you will see ....

I just what the Republican Judge says, not what you theorize (as do most people) -

In time ... we haven't given up on you yet



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Msg ID: 2757679 One more lie! +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
12/27/2022 3:44:14 PM

Reply to: 2757675

Bladeslap you are getting issues confused.

Judge ruled he found no misconduct, not he found no evidence!

Itappears you have NO idea that the main stream news lies to you.



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Msg ID: 2757680 One more lie! +3/-3     
Author:Citizens for sanity
12/27/2022 3:59:29 PM

Reply to: 2757679

It's almost impossible to respond to the liberals on this forum.

I have never seen people that were so filled up with hate in my life.

It is every single post here by the left.

Makes me sick

I see why Obsy and the zombie doesn't post here anymore.



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Msg ID: 2757682 One more lie! +4/-1     
Author:TheCrow
12/27/2022 4:14:39 PM

Reply to: 2757680

It's almost impossible to respond to the liberals on this forum.

I have never seen people that were so filled up with hate in my life.

First, last and always- Trump opponents are not necessarily liberals, just as Trump is not conservative in opposing some liberal positions. For instance:

 

 

 
 
Trump once considered himself a Democrat
01:54 - Source: CNN
CNN — 

Before Donald Trump was a front-running Republican presidential candidate, the real estate mogul believed that the nation’s economy ran better when Democrats were in control and that Hillary Clinton would be a strong negotiator with foreign nations.

“In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat,” Trump told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in a 2004 interview. “It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn’t be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats. …But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we’ve had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans.”

Trump still attacks plenty of Republicans today, but the comments praising Democrats are in stark contrast to the fiery rhetoric he deploys against them on the campaign trail, including President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

If the current polls hold up,Trump would likely face Clinton in the general election. He considered her an appealing candidate for president when it came to dealing with foreign nations. In another interview with CNN’s Blitzer in 2007, he praised her ability to negotiate when asked if she could successfully work out a deal with Iran.

“Hillary’s always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job,” Trump said in another interview with Blitzer.

READ: Donald Trump gave out Lindsey Graham’s personal cell number to America

A Trump campaign spokesman declined to comment when asked if his views have since changed. Trump has been critical of the Iran nuclear agreement, which was made public this month.

In the 2007 interview, Trump also said Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney could do the job, but he criticized then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for what he called a “sad” performance.

Even though he’s running as a Republican now, in many ways, Trump hasn’t changed. As a presidential contender, Trump has not shied away from criticizing Republicans: He has taken shots at almost every White House competitor and criticized former President George W. Bush. “I was not a big Bush fan. I thought he was not up to par,” Trump told CNN in May.

And he has continued to enjoy success among conservatives despite revelations that he once supported abortion rights, donated thousands to Democrats and questioned the heroism of Arizona Sen. John McCain, a prisoner of war during Vietnam.

Despite the trail controversial statements on the campaign trail—or perhaps because of it—Trump has skyrocketed in public opinion polls, pulling past former frontrunner Jeb Bush. A Washington Post-ABC News poll conducted over the weekend showed that 24 percent of voters that lean Republican said they would support Trump, and earlier CNN/ORC surveys have documented his rise.

 

 

Trump is a pragmatic individual, not dogmatic. I credit him for that, although he is leaning into reactionary dogma to increase support from those on the extreme right who doubt his conservative credibility.

He is a salesman- his product doesn't have 'bugs' because those are 'features' to be sold.

 
POLITICS & POLICY

An Appeal from the New to the Old Liberals

(Reuters photo: Carlo Allegri)

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The first man was a progressive. The coat was the liberalism of the old Democratic party. The second man was Donald Trump. And that is the story of the election this year.

The old coat, yesterday’s liberalism, was a not unlovely garment, and in many ways preferable to yesterday’s conservatism. This coat was the party of Americans for Democratic Action, of Arthur Schlesinger Jr. and Lionel Trilling. They were strongly anti-Communist and fought hard to expel the Marxists from their party. On racial matters, they were right and the conservatives of the day were wrong. Republicans point out that it was their party’s votes in Congress (more than 80 percent of Republicans in each house) that ensured the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act against a Senate filibuster led by Democrats such as William Fulbright (Ark.) and Sam Ervin (N.C.). All true, but let’s not forget that it was the middle-of-the-road Republicans, people like Everett McKinley Dirksen (Ill.) and Hugh Scott (Pa.), who made it happen, and not the conservatives of the day.

And today’s Democrats? With their race and gender triumphalism, with their allegiance to the Black Lives Matter movement, the progressives who dominate the party have entirely abandoned Martin Luther King Jr.’s vision of racially neutral laws and his idea that people should be judged according to the content of their character. That’s an old coat they’ve left by the side of the road for Republicans to pick up.

Consider next the economy. During the Eisenhower administration, the highest marginal income-tax rate was 91 percent, and it took Democrat John F. Kennedy to recognize that “a rising tide lifts all boats” and propose a tax reform that brought marginal rates down. Before Arthur Laffer, it was JFK who said that “the paradoxical truth is that the tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise revenues in the long run is to cut rates now.”

But that didn’t bring the Republicans of the day on board. They worried more about budget deficits than economic growth, and therefore opposed tax cuts. When the legislation came up for a final vote in the House of Representatives, only 48 Republicans supported it and 126 voted against it, and it passed only because 223 liberal Democrats voted for it. Remember, we’re talking about a top marginal rate of 91 percent, which the bill reduced to a still very high 65 percent. Today it’s the progressives on the Left, such as Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who want to raise marginal tax rates. They are the old conservatives, and it’s the Republicans who are the old Democrats, the old liberals.

There is a hole in American politics, a hole formerly filled by the honest liberals of the past, whose party has abandoned them, and many of whose policies can more readily be seen in the Republican party and its candidate for the presidency in 2016. And there are other ways that Donald Trump more clearly has adopted the honorable liberalism of the past and departed from some of today’s Republican policies.

Yesterday’s Democrats were strong nationalists, and would have had little use for open-borders conservatives who are indifferent to the costs imposed by our idiotic immigration policies. They were also religious, and would have been horrified to learn that today’s Democratic party makes faithful Catholics feel unwanted. That’s what they thought Republicans did! They wouldn’t have compromised with Randism or a heartless libertarianism, which would have seemed like nasty and alien religions to them. They knew, as Trump does, that the welfare state is here to stay and that we don’t want to see sick people die on the streets.

#related#They believed in the American Dream, the idea that whoever you were, wherever you came from, this was the country where you could get ahead. They would be shocked to learn how we’ve become economically immobile, how today most parents feel, with reason, that their children will not have it as good as they did. And if we told them that some conservative thinkers don’t much care about economic mobility and mock the 47 percent of takers as oxy-sniffing invertebrates, they’d have said, “What do you expect from conservatives?”

Yesterday’s liberals were people who stood up for what was right, who did great things, whose errors (e.g. the Great Society) were mistakes of the mind and not the heart. Mostly, I miss their faith in the future, their exhilarating belief in the country’s greatness, so often absent in the Republican party of today — with the singular exception of its candidate for the presidency.

“Their arms were outstretched in love for the farther shore.”

     — Aeneid vi.314

 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2757740 And yet another post from a dementia patient (NT) +1/-2     
Author:Citizens for sanity
12/28/2022 3:29:14 PM

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Msg ID: 2757699 More projecrion +4/-1     
Author:bladeslap
12/27/2022 10:05:41 PM

Reply to: 2757680

Your entire right wing Trump loving mentality is about hatred Obsy...

More projection from you ....

you piss in your kitchen and ask people why it smells like piss ... that's how you operate 



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Msg ID: 2757741 Obsy would be impressed by your response +1/-2     
Author:Citizens for sanity
12/28/2022 3:30:48 PM

Reply to: 2757699

A lot of hatred and empty accusations



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Msg ID: 2757684 One more lie! +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/27/2022 4:17:36 PM

Reply to: 2757679

More to the point:

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”


― Carl Sandburg

 

Which is exactly where Trumplicans are now.



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Msg ID: 2757698 How many things do you need to be wrong about? +4/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/27/2022 10:04:13 PM

Reply to: 2757679

Lake made claims that were not proven... PERIOD 

You .... are ... wrong 

She could not prove her Case ... She did not provide proof that there was any fraud...

Why do you make yourself look like such a fool on here?



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